i thought just as we saw hamid karzi coming in, you have to wonder how close he is to president obama. i have not seen the complete list but when i did look at the list, it seemed as though they were most here, including mogabi who had a contentious relationship with nelson mandela, and he is here to celebrate mandela, and it sounds like, you know, people are embracing what was told me to last night, the word is forgiveness. >> yes, and here comes ellen johnson. >> and her beautifully attired clothing. >> she set the standard, and we now expect it of her. >> that's right. i like the military escorts for them all. that's a nice pomp and circumstance. >> i interviewed her once in her own country, and my first question, of course, is where did you get the outfit? she said, you know, i have a very good designer from my own country but he lives in paris. >> well, that's good. as long as there is that local tie. >> and there they are. >> i found it interesting, in bill keller's obituary, he talked about a contentious relationship that president mandela had after he left office -- oh, i am s